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Kellerbier v. Real Ale

Posted by Nick B. on 2007-09-04 07:30:49

It wasn't the Lees which reminded me of the Griess Kellerbier in particular. I *think* you were there when I found some very pale, very dry, quite bitter, hoppy, and even *earthy* bitter--yes, it was you that identified the "earthy" note. Where exactly that was escapes me know; maybe at that Smithwicks Hotel near Fringe Bar. I thought I'd even made a note of it, but it doesn't look like I actually did. Or if I did, I've lost said note somewhere. Maybe at the City Arms? I think it may have been, because when I went back there mit der Frau later, the beer that I wanted to have there again had already been replaced with something else. Anyway. Lees is certainly unique. I believe I like it quite a bit despite that caustic line cleaner note! ObSmiley: ;) Regret not having tried the Moonraker. Seriously though, to this business of sparklers. Where I grew up, in western Yankley, cask-conditioned beer (either truly cask-conditioned or ordinary keg beer put under a beer engine) was normally served with a steel sparkler, which did not drive the beer as flat, nor produce such a thick, creamy, long lasting, nitro-like head as what I experienced from the plastic sparklers employed in M'cr last week. So I was a bit taken aback by the difference between Northern and Southern style being as big as it is. It seems to me that the original beer is significantly, even dramatically altered by the sparkler, and I fail to see why one should not object to this alteration of a beer's character via its serving method. Beer should be enjoyed in as natural a condition as possible, right? How long have these pin-hole sparklers been in use? I have a hard time imagining that these are not relatively new inventions. About as much as I "know" of/about/on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_engine#Sparkler . http://stason.org/TULARC/indulgence/real-ale/20-What-is-the-swan-necks-and-sparklers-argument-about.html . AFA Kellerbier v. Real Ale goes, if a lager brewery ferments & lagers their beer in an "ungespundeten" way--especially if it's lagered in the serving barrels/kegs, and then serves it without gas, can we sort of consider this to be analagous to Real Ale? That is, can we here agree on whether such a thing as Real Lager can be said to exist, or at least be definable?

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